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03 Sep 13 #406189 by survive
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Hi all,

Ex is director of his own ltd building company. He has paying not via CSA for the last few years for our 3 children. £20 pw, per child, based on what CSA would ask him to pay - 25% less 2/5 reduction for number of nights on his '' supposed declared income''.

I have been trying to negotiate with him for a long time to see if he would contribute half towards childrens extra activites, they do a lot and cost in excess of £2,000 per annum.

Finally he has agreed HOWEVER, he now says that he will be reducing what he should be paying for children to £45 PW for all 3!! AS the mortgages he took out on the 5 other properties he owns to buy himself a house outright and pay off legal biils and equity split etc, mean he now has less rental income. ( Dukey you may remember this settement!)

I have checked and CSA say they can only go on what he declares to inland revenue - which I know is correct. However, effectively I am going to be even worse off a month by £78, he said he will then pay for some activites but I can pay for all the school clubs,trips, resedentials etc - on less money????

I know many of you receive nothing and I know many of you receive a fair amount. This all goes back to the CSA, self empl ltd company threads!!! However, how can he expect anyone to beleive he only earns £15,000 p.a and owns a house outright, 3 vehicles, holidays, a house which is having extensive building wiork etc.

CSA said the only other route would to go via inland revenue. I didn''t really want to do that, no matter what I think, he is the childrens father and then I may receive nothing. Also, knowing what a slimeball he is, he has probabaly covered his back.

Anyone got any advice please??

BTW he prob earns in a day what I earn in a fortnight. And I do work 5 days, albeit part time.

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04 Sep 13 #406208 by survive
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04 Sep 13 #406215 by Gillian48
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Can you not appeal to the CSA because his lifestyle is inconsistent with his declared income? I think they look at the whole facts. Check out the Gingerbread website regarding CSA. Your ex maybe be clever but if you could prove the facts about his lifestyle you may have a case? I don''t know if he can just reduce the amount if he pays through the CSA - the amount is set by them I presume. If he''s agreed to give you money for extras he should maybe give it to you direct, but if he''s anything like my ex he won''t my kids had to drop all extra activities etc.. because I couldn''t afford it the ex diverted his income to reduce payments. Why they do these things is bizarre I could never understand it as the kids are the ones suffering. I''m not an expert just a mum gone through this ordeal. Look into it - get your evidence then appeal - unless he''s funding these things by loans you may have a case. Sorry not much help but Good Luck.

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04 Sep 13 #406229 by Child Maintenance Options
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Hi survive.

Thank you for your post. I am Sarah the child maintenance Options consultant.

I understand that you have been trying for some time to negotiate child maintenance with your ex-partner. The agreement you currently have in place, is what we call a family-based arrangement. It is simply an agreement between the two of you about who will provide what for your children. A family-based arrangement is not legally binding but it is flexible and can be changed as circumstances change. It can include money and other kinds of support, for example providing clothes or paying for activities.

To help you make a family-based arrangement, we have got several guides that you may find useful. We have a Child maintenance decisions: Information for parents with the main day to day care of their child guide, which gives details of the options available to you and offers information to help you with the negotiation process. We also have a Child maintenance decisions: A guide to talking about money, this provides information around discussing finances and agreeing child maintenance. You can download these from our website at: www.cmoptions.org. We also have a Discussion guide on our website.

For an idea how much child maintenance could be worked out by the Government''s statutory service, you can use the online calculator that is available on our website. You may want to use this figure as a starting point to renegotiate your family-based arrangement.

If you are able to set up a child maintenance arrangement that you are both happy with, you can record the details on our family-based arrangement form. Although this is not a legally enforceable document, it puts the agreement on a more formal basis. You can complete it together with your ex-partner and sign your names to show your commitment to this arrangement. You can also download this form from our website.

Alternatively, if you think mediation may help, Gov.uk (which is a Government website) has a service which may help you to find a mediator in your area. You can find this at: find-legal-advice.justice.gov.uk/.

In your post you mentioned the Child Support Agency (CSA), which is one of the Government''s statutory child maintenance services. The Government has now introduced a new statutory service called the Child Maintenance Service and parents with two or more children will use this service rather than the CSA. The two statutory services run different schemes which use slightly different rules. Therefore, if you wanted to use a statutory service, or wanted to find out how much they may calculate for you to pay, you will need to use the Child Maintenance Service and their rules.

The Child Maintenance Service would work out child maintenance using your ex-partner''s gross income, which is income before Income Tax and National Insurance are taken off, but after occupational or personal pension scheme contributions are taken away. In most cases this gross income figure comes from information given to HM Revenue and Customs by your ex-partner, his employer or a third-party such as an accountant.

You can ask the Child Maintenance Service to look at certain types of your ex-partner''s income that are not included in the main rules they use to work out child maintenance. This is called ‘additional income’ and can increase his gross income figure. Examples of this include applying for an ‘additional income variation’ for ‘unearned’ income – such as rental income from property or land, or dividends and interest from savings and investments. This type of income must be at least £2,500 a year.

The rules around variations can be complex and are often specific to a person''s circumstances. For further information about this, and how the Child Maintenance Service calculate maintenance, you may wish to look online at www.gov.uk/child-maintenance. You may find their guide called ''How child maintenance is worked out'' particularly useful. You can view this by clicking on the following link, www.gov.uk/how-we-work-out-child-maintenance.pdf.

The Child Maintenance Service has two maintenance options available. Direct Pay is where the Child Maintenance Service will make a maintenance calculation and then allow you and your ex-partner to decide on how payments will be made. Once they have calculated the maintenance amount, the Child Maintenance Service will not contact either of you again unless someone''s circumstances change or your ex-partner falls behind or misses his payments.

The Collect and Pay service, is where they calculate, collect and enforce payments on your behalf, as some people prefer the security and help of third party involvement. If you decide to use the statutory maintenance service in the future, your ex-partner''s responsibility to pay will start from around the point that he is contacted by the Child Maintenance Service.

It is worth noting that the Government plans to introduce costs for using the Child Maintenance Service at some point in the future. There will be three types of costs. These are an application fee, fees for collecting and paying out child maintenance payments, and enforcement charges for paying parents who do not pay. We do not know the exact amount of these costs yet or when they might be introduced as they still need to be approved by Parliament but the Child Maintenance Service will write to everyone with a case to confirm the exact amounts a least a month before they come in.

You can avoid costs by making your own family-based arrangement with your ex-partner. If you try it and it does not work out, you can still apply to the Child maintenance Service at any stage.

To make an application with the Child Maintenance Service you will need to contact your local CSA office. You can find these contact details using the following link, www2.dwp.gov.uk/csa/v2/en/contact/index.asp.

We also have a sorting out separation web-app that you may find useful, it offers help and support to separated families. The link is: www.wikivorce.com/divorce/Sorting-Out-Separation.html.

To find out more about how Child Maintenance Options can help you visit cmoptions.org or call us free on 0800 988 0988 between 8am and 8pm Monday to Friday or 9am and 4pm on Saturday.

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04 Sep 13 #406291 by survive
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Hi,

Many thanks for your helpful and detailed reply. I have looked at many of the links you have suggested. I guess my dilemma is, I do not know how much @he claims to earn''. I know at court a year ago he was paying himself a nominal wage of £400 pm, which would be the lowest rate on the CM calculator (new method). He also received flat rental income which would be included, according to the calculator as part of gross income. However, I also do not know if he is deducting the mortgages he has since taken outon the properties in order to buy himself a house to live in, from the rental income and therefore would not be part of his gross income.

It also said you can apply for a variation, which I know I would have to do as he would not be honest. I am just unsure is it all worth it, I do I just accept the reduction that he says he will pay of £182 pcm. He is now looking to pay for 3 children £45 per week, which is the bare minimum.

I don''t really want to go through a lengthy dispute again as the court hearing took long enough, however I do have to consider the childrens future.

The mediation and family based arrangement is excellent if both parties are honest or at least fair.

Thanks

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