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30 Aug 13 #405911 by gladdad
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I am a father with sole residence mum has gone abroad to work permanently and live permanently with her husband - I don''t know her address and she wont give it to me but there is a live court application for residence/contact despite taking no interest in his life.

Q - How do I apply for maintenance, should I do it in county court or magistrates court, how is it assessed and is it worth the effort?

They both gave up jobs to go, so its unlikely that they don''t have work out there and its a hague country with recipricol arrangements from the look of it.

CSA have tried to assess it as £5 per week and I have gone back to them to query how if she does not live here, which they said they will look into and call me.

Q2 - We were married less than a year and my solicitors told me not to claim as I had property etc - she remarried and my sols said that should be the end with remarriage trap - is it worth making any claim for Ancillary Relief given I have money etc and our son lives with me or tie it up as part of maintenance to bring it to an end?

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31 Aug 13 #405981 by Fiona
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The CSA have no jurisdiction when the non resident parent lives abroad unless they work for UK based organisation and you would need to apply for child maintenance through the courts.

However you have had good advice from a solicitor. If you apply for Ancillary Relief, or a financial remedy as it is now called, and your wife has no resources with which to pay CM you aren''t going to achieve anything. You would be opening up a hornets'' nest as the courts would consider the overall financial position.

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04 Sep 13 #406227 by gladdad
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Hi thanks for your advice.

Is there any way I can claim child maintenance and enforce it in South Africa but not claim ancillary relief?

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04 Sep 13 #406246 by Child Maintenance Options
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Hi Gladdad

Thank you for your post. I am William, the Child Maintenance Options consultant. I will provide you with some information about child maintenance that may help answer your query.

One way of setting up a child maintenance arrangement is to make an agreement between yourselves, in the form of a family-based arrangement. With this type of agreement, there are no strict rules to stick to. A family-based arrangement does not need to be all about money, although many parents do include regular financial contributions. Your child''s mother can contribute in other way, such as directly paying for things that your child may need. A family-based arrangement is not legally-binding, however, many parents prefer this type of agreement because it is very flexible and can easily be reviewed if you or your child''s mother''s circumstances change.

To help you set up a family-based arrangement, we have a range of tools, forms and guides on our website that you may find useful. We have a discussion guide that can help you plan your conversations around child maintenance. We also have a family-based arrangement form, which is not a legally-binding document. However, when used to write down what both of you have agreed, it can help to formalise your arrangement. If you would like to gain access to our tools and guides, please visit our website at www.cmoptions.org/en/toolbox/.

If you and your child''s mother are unable to agree on a family-based arrangement, you can approach your local magistrates court to apply for a court order for maintenance to be made. This can then be enforced by the Reciprocal Enforcement of Maintenance Orders (REMO).

This is an agreement set up via the British Government with other countries, to enable citizens to receive maintenance if a parent lives abroad. From 18th June 2011, if the paying parent is in an EU member state (except Denmark) the REMO team may make an application for enforcement action to be taken in that EU member state under new European regulation EC 04/2009. Under the regulation, the EU member state is legally obliged to take enforcement action as far as reasonably possible.

You can find a full list of participating countries at www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/protecting-...mo-location-list.pdf. You can also find more information on the Gov.uk at www.gov.uk/child-maintenance-if-one-parent-lives-abroad.

In general, the Child Support Agency (CSA) only has the jurisdiction to enforce child maintenance when both parents are living in the UK. However, there are a number of exceptions to this when any of the following points apply to the paying parent:

The paying parent is working abroad in the service of the Crown. For example, they are a Civil Servant, working in Her Majesty''s Diplomatic Service or are a member of the Armed Forces.

The paying parent is working abroad for a UK-based company. For example, the company employs people to work outside the UK but makes payments via a UK payroll. The company also needs to be registered under the Companies Act 1985 (England, Wales and Scotland) or the Companies (Northern Ireland) Order 1986.

The paying parent is working abroad on a secondment for a prescribed body. For example, they work for an NHS trust, a regional health authority, a primary care trust or a local authority.

For more information on the above, you may wish to contact the CSA directly. If you do not have their contact details, you can find them on the Gov.uk at www.gov.uk/child-support-agency.

With regards to making a claim for Ancillary Relief, you may wish to contact your solicitor for further guidance. Alternatively, you can contact the Citizen Advice Bureau as they can provide information on legal topics. Their contact details can be found on their website at www.adviceguide.org.uk.

For more information about child maintenance, you may wish to visit our website at www.cmoptions.org. Alternatively, you can call us free on 0800 988 0988, between 8am and 8pm Monday to Friday or 9am and 4pm on a Saturday. We also have a Sorting Out Separation web-app that you may find useful. It offers help and support to separating and separated families. The link is: www.wikivorce.com/divorce/Sorting-Out-Separation.html.

I hope you will find this information useful.

William

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11 Sep 13 #406883 by gladdad
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Hi

Thanks for the information and advice.

My question is this:

Can I make an application for financial provision for my son in the form of maintenance (later enforcing it in South Africa) without invoking an Ancillary Relief claim?

And, is there any risk, of me having to pay mum (my solicitors originally advised under ancillary relief that marriage of very short duration and mum supporting herself and remarried so maintance to pay and unlikely to be any lump sum either - this was before child came to live with me) - the child lives with me under a sole residence order, I have assets and income - mum is married and given up job to go abroad, which I assume would not do without job abroad and savings.

Also what application form do I need for court and is there any guidance available?

Thank you

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