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Why should I pay csa.

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04 Jun 09 #121335 by smalik
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I will never pay csa in my life.

When I wanted contact to my child I received no support from the goverment, firstly the system is completely female biased.
I had to pay thousand in legal fee's and the courts over looked all the lie by my x and CAFCASS officer also biased. After i spent 30K to disprove the alleged domestic violence, I could not even get any support for contact centres, this also cost me to the 6K, I was paying £400.00 for 2 hour sessions to see my daughter every week.

From the outset the divorce law is defined in such a way, if there is a child/eren involved most of the assets are given to the women, Like the home and the man get left with nothing.

After having been stripped of most of the assets and made homeless, the man is then expected to PAY child support.
A precentage of his Income and there is no consideration Housing needs, travel to work expenses or anything else.

eg 1 (On Benifits)
Housing benifits £750
Council Tax £130
JSA £260
Total £1140
CSA deduction £20

Money to Spend £240

Eg (Working) income £1140
Housing rent £750
Council Tax £130
Spare Income £260
Total £1140

CSA demand £165

Expected to live on £23.75 per week and pay all my bills.

Can some explain to me how a man can be expected to pay ?

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04 Jun 09 #121339 by Fiona
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Why should you pay child support? Because often when children from separated families do badly, it’s because their standard of living drops and they grow up poor. Doing your best to provide for children is one of the most important contributions a parent can make.

"The duty of parents to provide for the maintenance of their children is a principle of natural law; an obligation laid on them not only by nature herself but by their proper act in bringing them into the world; for they would be in the highest manner injurious to their issue if they only gave their children life that they might afterwards see them perish."

Sir William Blackstone (1723 - 1780)

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04 Jun 09 #121343 by TUFKAB
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smalik,

It does seem unfair.

And being on the back end of paying over £600 a month for one child I can understand some of your feelings. Although I do need to point a few things out.

1. The law in not necessarily biased towards women in these cases - it is biased towards the Parent With Care regardless of who it is.

2. CSA is for helping support the upkeep of the children.

If the roles were reversed, and you were on benefits and your partner was working and you had parental care - she would have toppay you CSA.

Are you paying any arrears? Are you on the new or old rules as it makes a hell of a difference.

Have you applied for a departure for travel costs?

Why are you incurring such high costs to see your children.

What is the split of parental care? If you look after the child for 3 or more days a week, declare it and you would get nil rated.

Have you declared all your living expenses in terms of rent/mortgage. Have you considered contacteing your ex and seeing if you could come to a more manageble agreement in the form of a private arrangement - if you could do this then the CSA would stop, and only get involved again if either of you failed to keep to the agreement in the arrangement.

All I can say mate - is you need to be full and open and hopefully things could change.

Hang in there.

Bob

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04 Jun 09 #121366 by startingagain09
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Why you I pay CSA?

Because the child didnt ask to be bought into the world, thats why. Dont blame the child for the system or the relationshop breakdown. The only way to avoid CSA is to either ensure your relationships last (impossible) or not have children.

Harsh but true.

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04 Jun 09 #121375 by Trevor53
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You have to pay because you area a man. In my case the absent parent is the mother, she pays diddly squat so there you go.
So all the rubbish about you duty blah de blah, kids didn't asked to be brought into this world blah blah blah applies to you because you are a man. The system IS biased

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04 Jun 09 #121383 by Itgetsbetter
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The system of child maintenance has some strange elements that can make it some seem unfair. I don't know if that is down to bias or just imcompetence on the part of the people that drew up the formula.

The whole determination of parent with care and non resident parent is flawed and not flexible enough.

I know in my case I have my children at least the same number of nights as their mother but the CSA rules would still require me to pay her a significant amount of child maintenance. The tapering based on the number of nights the non resident parent has the children should taper down to zero where the children spend equal time with the parents as both parents have equal costs.

I have written to my MP on this issue, but his reply did not fill me with confidence!

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04 Jun 09 #121389 by startingagain09
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Trevor53 wrote:

You have to pay because you area a man. In my case the absent parent is the mother, she pays diddly squat so there you go.
So all the rubbish about you duty blah de blah, kids didn't asked to be brought into this world blah blah blah applies to you because you are a man. The system IS biased


Like I said, dont blame the child for the system. The government sucks, their system sucks, we all know that but at the end of the day that is not the childs fault. Too many parents forget the children, they use them as weapons against each other and forget they are people too. Maybe we should all remember that from time to time.

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