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What Child Support should I pay when on JSA?

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03 Dec 13 #415374 by listen
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Dear All

Your help please. I have been made redundant and have paid full child support (equivalent financial amount but not done through CSA) until my notice period pay (PILON) ran out. I am now on Job Seekers Allowance (JSA) and looking for work.

My ex is pressuring me for money as she knows I saved knowing I was going to be made redundant so that I could keep my monthly mortgage payments up for a good while. She is working, lives in a mortgage free 4 bed house due to the divorce settlement and gets all child benefits due for the kids even though I have the kids 2 nights a week during school time and half of all holidays. Now that I''m unemployed I''ve not asked her for any money as she''s working.

I''d like your comments as to how much I should legally pay, and how much you guys would actually pay from a moral perspective, while on JSA. I will obviously go back to paying normal CSA rates when back in work.

Thanks in advance

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03 Dec 13 #415376 by u6c00
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The CSA rate under your circumstances would be £0. This is because you receive benefits AND you have your children at least 52 nights a year.

If you believe that you are able to pay anything then you could choose to pay, but there would be no obligation to pay anything if your ex decided to reject your offer and apply to the child maintenance Service (new CSA).

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03 Dec 13 #415385 by Rumplestiltsk1n
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if she''s working, what happens to the kids when she is there? are they at school? do they go to childminder/breakfast club/after school club? If you are not working then maybe you could have the kids more to help her out a bit? maybe 50/50?

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04 Dec 13 #415393 by Bobbinalong
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I certainly agreew ith you having the kids more, that is obvious. The reason most of us dads only get to see our kids for so short a time is... because we work.
I might be wrong but I remember that if you were on benefits, you paid £5 a week, but that may have changed,but it was so when I sorted my cm.

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05 Dec 13 #415483 by Child Maintenance Options
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Hi Listen

Thank you for your post. I am William, the Child Maintenance Options consultant. I will try and provide you with some information that may help answer your query.

If you wanted to use the current statutory rules, child maintenance is worked out using the paying parent''s gross income, which is income before Income Tax and National Insurance are taken off, but after occupational or personal pension scheme contributions are taken away. In most cases this gross income figure comes from information given to HM Revenue & Customs by the paying parent, their employer or a third-party such as an accountant.

The Child Maintenance Service have four different maintenance rates and the rate that is to be paid is dependent on the gross weekly income of the paying parent. The four different rates are as follows:

Basic rate is for paying parents with a weekly gross income of between £200 and £799.99 (and Basic Plus for parents with a gross weekly income of £800 or more).

Reduced rate is for paying parents on a weekly gross income of between £100 and £199.99.

Nil rate is where parents are in full-time education, under sixteen, in prison or living in care. In cases worked out at the Nil Rate, the paying parent currently does not have to pay child maintenance because their gross weekly income is less than £7 a week or because they receiving certain benefits

Flat rate is when paying parents pay a flat rate of £7 child maintenance per week, no matter how many children they have, if their weekly gross income is between £7 and £100. This also applies if the partner they live with is in receipt of Income Support, income-based Jobseeker''s Allowance or Pension Credit. If child maintenance is set at Flat rate because the paying parent’s income is £100 a week or less, the Child Maintenance Service does not take shared care into account at all.

You can find more information on how the Child Maintenance Service calculates child maintenance by visiting Gov.uk at www.gov.uk/how-child-maintenance-is-work...ut-child-maintenance To give you an indication of how much child maintenance that may be calculated if you were to use the Child Maintenance Service, we have an online calculator on our website at www.cmoptions.org/en/calculator/

You mentioned that you are now divorced. If you set up a Consent Order (or a Minute of Agreement) during your divorce process, you may wish to check the terms and conditions to see what you legally agreed to pay. To do this, you may wish to seek legal advice If you do not have access to a solicitor, you may wish to contact the Citizens Advice Bureau (www.adviceguide.org.uk) as they can provide information on legal topics.

If you agreed child maintenance via a family-based arrangement, there are no strict rules to stick to. Therefore, both you and your ex-wife have the flexibility to decide the terms of your own arrangement, such as the factors that you will take into account when calculating child maintenance

A family-based arrangement does not need to be all about money although many parents do include regular contributions. Your arrangement can include other kinds of support, such as you directly paying for things that your children may need. Family-based arrangements are not legally-binding, however, many parents prefer them because of their flexibility and ease of which they can be reviewed (such as if you or your ex-wife’s circumstances change).

We have a range of tool and guides on our website (cmoptions.org/en/toolbox/index.asp) that you may find useful, such as our discussion guide that you can use to plan your conversations around child maintenance.

For more information on the ways to set up child maintenance, please visit our website at www.cmoptions.org Alternatively, you can call us free on 0800 988 0988 between 8am and 8pm Monday to Friday or 9am and 4pm on a Saturday. We have a sorting out separation web-app that you may find useful. It offers help and support to separating and separated families. The link is: www.dad.info/divorce-and-separation/sorting-out-separation

Regards

William

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05 Dec 13 #415484 by u6c00
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Child Maintenance Options wrote:

If child maintenance is set at Flat rate because the paying parent’s income is £100 a week or less, the Child Maintenance Service does not take shared care into account at all.

William, could you clarify something for me?

If the maintenance rate is set at the flat rate because the paying parent is on benefits, shared care is still taken into account; having the children for more than 52 nights per year reduces it to £0.

If the maintenance rate is set at the flat rate because the paying parent earns less than £100 per week, shared care is not taken into account so the paying parent pays £7 per week.

Is this correct? That''s my understanding from the "How we work out child maintenance" booklet and your post but I just wanted to check that the flat rate is divided into two groups, one of which might not pay the flat rate.

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07 Dec 13 #415603 by listen
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Thanks everyone for your replies. Appreciated.

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